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North East 'expectations' are a footballing fairy story - and a corrosive one at that

By Mark Douglas on Dec 5, 11 05:01 PM


GRAEME Souness is making rather a better fist of being a perceptive pundit than he ever did as a manager, but his column this week made for difficult reading.

It opened up with the following sentiment: "Steve Bruce paid the price of the high expectations in the North East."

Now Souness, who was an unmitigated failure during his time at Newcastle United, no doubt has his own reasons for bashing the region but he is far from alone in furthering some pretty far-fetched ideas about football up here.

The sacking of Bruce - deserved as it was - seems to have tapped into this popular misconception that the North East is somehow devoid of any sense of perspective. Geordie Bruce, a good guy who was in way over his head, hardly helped by advancing the theory that Black Cats supporters dreamt of a Champions League challenge while he was in charge at the Stadium of Light - but he is in good company in misunderstanding the rhythms of the North East football scene.

Seven days ago, Sir Alex Ferguson penned a lengthy diatribe against the local North East media, reckoning we engender expectations that are too big and wield far too much influence in boardrooms and the terraces.

It doesn't stop there. One national newspaper column labelled Sunderland fans "bigots" for the way they reacted to the Wigan defeat, setting the tone for a week where the North East seemed to be portrayed as some kind of footballing twilight zone.

Well lets nail that hoary old expectation thing for a start. For while it is true that the North East is an exceedingly demanding place to play football, the demand of the fan or writer is not to deliver a trophy, a top four place or constant success.

It is for a team that represents the values of the region - hard work, commitment, bravery and a bit of ingenuity and invention. Get those things right and generally you reap the rewards.

Don't believe me? How about the fact St James' Park broke into spontaneous applause at the third Chelsea goal on Saturday? That was a reflection of their support and belief in this Newcastle team - not the greatest collection of star names but a collective prepared to dig deep and represent the black and white with distinction.

Supporters are more than aware of their position in the greater scheme of things. Most United fans contacting me on my Twitter account seem to want the club to sign Montpellier's Olivier Giroud in January. Hardly a global name, is he?

It is a lesson I hope Martin O'Neill has heeded ahead of tomorrow's official unveiling. His early promise - that he would work as hard as possible to bring success to Sunderland - is a good sign, as is the fact that he is aware of the Black Cats history.

Supporting a team from these parts isn't necessary to win you the respect of supporters but it isn't asking too much to try and understand what makes our clubs tick if you're working up here. Alan Pardew made it a priority - appointing John Carver and soaking up the history and tradition of the North East. It has helped him to turn around public opinion.

It is true that the North East is a unique area when it comes to football, and it is not always a force for good. The crowds are the envy of most clubs while the passion for the game can be frightening at times - not least the vicious edge that has developed in the rivarly between Newcastle and Sunderland.

It is a unique and powerful force that, as yet, has not been channeled into success in the modern era. And some big names - and even bigger egos - have fallen by the wayside. Perhaps it is difficult for someone like Souness or Sam Allardyce to admit that it was their own failings, rather than the press or fans, that meant they could not thrive in these parts.

Instead they are happy to fuel the expectation and delusion myth that reared its ugly head again last week. It is wrong, and the fact that so many big name players and managers continue to want to ply their trade in the North East illustrate that even those within the game know it is baloney.

15 Comments

Phil said:

Brilliant blog mark, spot on. Sick of the pundits on tv claiming we expect too much up here. Most fans (geordies and mackems) would be happy over the moon with a top half finish this season. Obviously after the great start the toon have had I'd hope for a top 7/8 finish but wouldn't expect champions league as the pundits would have you believe.

FrenchGeordie said:

Spot-on. Hard work, team-work, commitment, look after your mates - they are the values that count. Many of these were fostered in the now-defunct traditional industries like coal, steel and shipbuilding. These industries have gone but their values remain.

If you show these qualities on the field, then Geordie will put up with a lot. A bit of entertainment value helps too. If you don't have these qualities then you are seen through very quickly and shown the emotional door, and it does not matter how much talent you have. Ask Michael Owen.

I agree with the comments about the increasingly bitter nature of the conflict between SAFC, the Boro and Mags. It was not always like this. I love it when both Sunderland and Boro are both in the Premier League. Otherwise there is no competition. And no competition means no fun.

Anonymous said:

Sunderland and Boro, and yeah, you've nailed it. But you kind of blow your own argument out with the words 'Sam Allardyce'. Why was Sam sacked if it wasn't expectations?

And you start with Graeme Souness - a replacement for Sir Bobby, bless him - sacked because of... expectations. How many Sunderland managers can you name that were sacked in the disgraceful manner that Sir Bobby was after all he'd done for the club?

It seems to me that you need to rewrite your piece, with a headline saying "Sunderland and Boro 'expectations' are a footballing fairy story - and a corrosive one at that. But Newcastle's? Maybe not so..."

Mogy said:

"Alan Pardew made it a priority - appointing John Carver and soaking up the history and tradition of the North East. It has helped him to turn around public opinion"
Tosh ! Pardew could have been soaking in a bath full of the local brew each evening but if he hadn't turned the results around he'd still be the pariah everyone indicated he was last year.

Colin Tyrrell said:

yes, saying that North east fans have high expectations is a lazy madia observation.

But a noticable minority of Sunderland fans booing at the half time whistle yesterday doesn't help the situation either

NEONE said:

"Anonymous said:
Sunderland and Boro, and yeah, you've nailed it. But you kind of blow your own argument out with the words 'Sam Allardyce'. Why was Sam sacked if it wasn't expectations?
And you start with Graeme Souness - a replacement for Sir Bobby, bless him - sacked because of... expectations. How many Sunderland managers can you name that were sacked in the disgraceful manner that Sir Bobby was after all he'd done for the club?
It seems to me that you need to rewrite your piece, with a headline saying "Sunderland and Boro 'expectations' are a footballing fairy story - and a corrosive one at that. But Newcastle's? Maybe not so..."


Ashley didn't appoint Allardyce, but gave him a crack of the whip until it became obvious that his brand of 'football' was nowhere near appropriate for the club (see main article). Sir Bobby's dismissal, contrary to popular belief, was met with a regrettable sense of relief at the time by most Newcastle fans. He seemed to be losing his battle against disruptive little turds in the squad like Craig Bellamy & Kieron Dyer, and more importantly, was losing games on a frighteningly esculated pace. Souness' appointment was baffling, and could only be justified through his reputation for dealing with troublemaking players. That his solution was to instantly sell them on cut-price and being unable to replace them was his downfall, along with his complete ineptitude as a football manager.

Given the fact that Newcastle have played Champions League & UEFA League football in the last decade, I'm more amused at anyone lumping the collective ambitions of Newcastle & Sunderland together.

Matthew said:

The unique passion of NE fans is as much of a fairy story as anything else mentioned

stephen callaghan said:

The media seem to think supporters of Newcastle and Sunderland whom have been starved of success should be treat as second class citizens. Why shouldn’t for instance Newcastle fans that turn out in greater numbers than Liverpool fans not have expectorations. The club can only grow and should grow if it has a strong fan base. What gives Liverpool fans a divine right to expect more the Newcastle united supporter. The only difference is the ambition and lack off in the board rooms, all fans of clubs that attract big crowds have a right to push for success they but their money where their mouth is!

Leazes Ender said:

Ferguson sharing what he thought of the Newcastle fans...
‘They have those fans who are so emotional and fanatical, they expect to win the World Cup’.

He’s just echoing another Manchester United Boss, Sir Mat Busby who said ‘you could put 11 donkeys onto the St James pitch and they will still get a full house.

In my opinion most Newcastle fans have no expectation at all, and they will be happy to turn up to watch any old dross which any un-ambitious transient owner decides to put onto St James Pitch.

Our Geographic isolation allows failure on an epic scale, and sanctioned massive under achievement because there is no onus to succeed. Only when Sir John threw down the gauntlet, ever so briefly, did we get a little taste of what we had been missing.

As the BBC Sport has moved to Manchester from London expect more mealy mouthed parochial bigotry from the North Midlanders!

Kylia said:

Walking in the presence of giants here. Cool thinking all aronud!

joseppie said:

Interesting article, usual media shite from souness whose man management skills were zero & Blackburn Rovers were about to sack him before we offered him the job. (speak to any Blackburn fan).

There's not a queue of clubs waiting to employ you, is there graeme

geordie jim said:

this is the man who thought boomsong was a footballer.

billyboy said:

all the geordie fans want is honesty on the pitch and play like yous mean it that goes a long way think about it no trophy in 42 years still they are in the top 10 supported teams in the world when you see who are in that top 10 its easy to see why the other teams are there there collection of trophys/ honours is awesome but our history of signing doylems to run us is legendary

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